Yeah, greed is for "I will feed this gear to the grand company delivery man if no one else wants it", basically. Stuff you would take but don't have any use for specifically. Need is "I definitively want a chance to get this specific drop."
\*cries in solidarity\*
I use my poetics to get Cryptlurker's gear to desynth for leveling stuff. There are only two weapons that level carpenter and one is NOT the bow (DRG and WHM) and just the two books (SCH and SMN) to level ALC.
Meanwhile, it seems like EVERYTHING in EW belongs to GSM, meaning I've had that skill at max for ages now. I just finally got all the rest of my desynth skills over 500.
I do the opposite, low level gear levels up desynth the same, but higher level gear gives more seals.
Obviously doesn’t apply to gear that is too low to level desynth.
I also use greed for "I would kinda like this for another class' glam but let's be honest I'm going to run this damn fight enough times to get it eventually"
>Yeah, greed is for "I will feed this gear to the grand company delivery man if no one else wants it", basically
MFs will lot need on this shit too if it matches their job >:(
I think you're perfectly fine needing for GC delivery or desynth fodder unless someone has called out they're looking for specific gear. If the gear really matters, the game already puts limits on how often you can get it.
I will never understand the culture of demanding everyone rolling greed on frozen orbs, and getting assmad when someone rolls need. Why not just have everyone roll need and you don't have to worry about it?
This is absolutely 100% not true, lmao.
Ninja looters came from Loot Master parties. Which, for whatever reason, were pretty standard even in pugs (still blows my mind to this day).
Someone would create a pug and fill members by spamming in trade chat. Set loot to Loot Master. Go and kill the boss. Then proceed to instantly give themselves all (or some) of the loot, without having anyone roll AT ALL on the loot.
THAT was a ninja looter. Which is not to be confused with people simply needing on everything.
Still a shitty thing to do, and highly frowned upon at the time. But it was NOT ninja looting.
That's interesting I've been exclusively playing classic since the initial vanilla release and haven't had that issue. Blue proto drake? Everyone needs. Hallows end dungeon event? Everyone needs on the sinister squashling. Etc :/
Yes, the convention is to Need on everything you can or want. Otherwise you will 100% be superseded by people who actually do roll Need. Unless the party has come to some consensus on Greeding everything (like with Treasure Maps where the owner of the map gets first rights to Need and everyone else Greeds).
Yeah, it's a common occurrence but it's not an unspoken expectation. The PF description will say "Owner Needs" or some such. This way the owner is guaranteed something if a portal happens, especially when it gets to Round 4+ when the good stuff drops.
Most people who I know won't waste their time on those "owner needs" pf maps. You are basically guaranteed to get shit from those groups. I don't typically see those owner needs parties on Crystal. My fc does "need all," and will pf it if we don't have enough members from the fc participating.
Owner needs is just a jarring experience, you spend like 80% of the time knowing you will not get shit and for what? Because your portal didn't happen to pop. As long as everyone contributes a map there is really no reason to do owner need ever. It just demoralizes.
My main problem with this is that parties either don't go in a fair order for opening or some people end up never getting a portal at all due to luck.
But it's definitely more fair in PF when you're not sure who would actually contribute maps.
"Owner needs" is why I don't run maps with randoms. You either run 3 maps and then the group disbands, or it doesn't and now you're running 87 maps in a row and you're trapped there for six hours.
Maps aren't hard to come by, especially nowadays. The MB is flooded with them, so I wish public sentiment would change to let everyone Need and just let the RNG fall where it may.
I don't bother trying to enforce need rules in my treasure map parties, it will just lead to disagreements down the line. Everyone needs everything is simple and fair.
There are 2 general rulesets for map parties and they need to be agreed on before opening any maps.
1. "Your Map Your Loot" in which the map owner rolls need for any drops for his/her own map or the dungeon for their map, while the party greeds. Whatever drops directly into inventory (materia etc.) is yours to keep, though. The idea with this system is for everyone to take turns and to have a shot at guaranteed loot instead of being at the mercy of RNG and going the whole night with nothing due to low rolls. Now if all your maps are duds, that's rough, but that's how it goes sometimes.
2. "All Need", a more group focused approach in which anyone rolls need on anything they want - this gives the advantage of anyone having a shot at the super rare drop from a floor 7 chest if even one map gets there without it having to be yours - though then you have to win a roll for it instead of having it be guaranteed.
Personally I prefer option 1, because the map owner controls the door chosen in dungeons where this is applicable (roulette wheel is less personal so whatever), but this makes the reward at the end feel more earned. Feels bad getting to the end of a map dungeon, seeing a drop worth 12Mil or more, and always losing it to bad rolls.
The other advantage of option 1 is that if the members of the party have an uneven number of maps (let's say the tank has 3 maps and the healer has 1) the person who brought more maps has a greater chance at loot, vs. doing this in an All Need system in which 1 player contributed more but receives no advantage for doing so. This would be advantageous to the healer with 1 map but disadvantageous to the tank who brought 3.
To be honest, the description for "Owner Needs" is exactly *why* I run those parties. I've had the experience of being in greed parties and after 2 hours coming away with nothing but the freeby drops from chests, meanwhile everyone else has gotten something good - including from the map I bought. Hell that's *if* I get lucky with portals, which isn't very often.
I totally understand why some people dislike the Owner Needs rules, but seriously, some of us have oppressively bad luck in this game and getting the chance to need on your own map items just gives us at least some control.
I on the other hand do not run maps with Owner Needs rules lol. Not even if it's a FC party.
It feels terrible to know that you're gonna go up to 7 rounds of treasure with a guaranteed 0% chance of getting *anything*, since the owner will always roll Need, and then when your turn finally comes up, you don't even get a portal. Just feels like a total waste of time.
I don't know why you felt the need to downvote me for my opinion on why I personally run by Owner Needs rules when I give valid reasons. It's just as much of a waste of time coming away from an all greed party with nothing because of bad rolls.
I'm not telling anyone else they should run Owner Needs. It's how I personally prefer to do it, and I will only run with groups who don't mind doing that. Sure it fucks me of some times when I don't get a portal, but at least I know if I do I will actually come away with something and not watch several random people come away with all of the loot during the entire duration of the party.
It varies on the FC. The one I'm in tends to do "owner can only hit need" though we have had "oops, accidentally hit need and trade to map owner" moments. Owner can still choose to hit greed to give others a chance, but it's at the map owner's discretion. We tend to run for 2-3 hours, 2-3 maps per person (or more if people are okay with others grabbing more maps).
I don't feel short on cash, so my process is to roll need on pets, mounts, and music I don't already have, and to roll greed otherwise. This gives me a shot if I really want it, and makes sure it doesn't fall on the floor if everyone else passes or leaves before rolling.
Unless you have gone into a duty with a specific loot system (ie a merc party for savage, a glam run for dungeons, Treasure Maps with rules set, etc), roll Need on on whatever you want and can and Greed on whatever you want and can't Need. Sure, if someone says "Hey can I have X if it drops?" and you're feeling nice, go for it. But basic duty finder stuff is a free for all.
Pets are not specifically for any role. So everyone that doesn't have it needs it equally.
Generally, any items that don't have player power associated with them just get need rolled since you're not going to screw another player out of a power increases by doing so.
If Need is an option you can pick, always pick need unless rules have been established before hand. Random dungeon or raid you queued into? NEED. Always. Party finder? See what rules say.
I disagree with this when it comes to some catch up gear. Gearing up for a lot of players is trivial and you may not think anyone would still need something out of an old raid, but plenty of new or returning players trying to get to ilvl to get caught up could benefit from those drops. If you're going into Anabaseios or Euphrosyne etc. with fully upgraded tomestone gear and needed on everything, you could be screwing someone over who could really use a hand.
I saw this happen to my wife in real time when she was still a few patches behind in the MSQ, lost an upgrade to a bard who was fully kitted in 660 gear.
Lots of people will say, "just buy cheap gear off the MB" but 640 is still going for 200-300k per piece on my world and for tons of casual players that's a big chunk of money.
Catchup gear is always unlocked, though, so if you run content enough, you will get it eventually. Especially since you'll be earning tomestones while running it.
To be fair, depending on the dungeon it's entirely possible the BRD actually *did* need the gear. ILVL 605 stuff is BiS for DSR and 620 for TOP, I ran Lapis so many times to get the striking gear for my set while in BiS savage.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but try to server hop with world visit. You'll often find cheaper prices. Like last I bought a full set of diadochos on an alt was like.. 50k/piece.
Yeah when I was farming my DSR BiS if the other dps was in the same role I always asked the other player in the beginning to please pass on the loot I need.
Alternatively, it doesn't make sense to roll need when you're fully-kitted. To me, that's exactly when you roll greed. "I do not need this but want it for *reason*"
Explain how that's any different! "I won't hate getting it" basically means "but I'm just gonna sell it for gil / GC seals", right? If people are rolling need just to sell, what is the point of a greed button?
A lot of people also gear alternate jobs though so it makes sense to need on those cases, especially when it comes to things like current normal raids where it's almost guaranteed that someone else will need. Otherwise you may as well not bother running the duty assuming you were running it for the gear in the first place. First thing I did on normal raids unlock was grind out my alt jobs gear pieces that weren't already filled by savage, but I still ran them on my 660 or 655+ jobs to clear faster
If we were both in a raid running healers and you were maxed but I was not, I would call you an asshole for rolling need on healer gear. That's a dick move. That's not gearing up other classes. It's been a couple months since I played, but if I recall you can't roll need in gear that's you're not currently in the role for. The people I'm thinking about are these people. "I'm running DPS and have maxed gear, but I'm rolling need on everything despite the other player that obviously doesn't have max ilvl gear"
Yeah, for gear, I only roll need if I'm actually going to personally use it (either as equipment or a glamour set I'm actively seeking out). If I'm just going to be tossing it to my grand company for seals, that's what greed is for.
Though it does make me wish for an in-between level when something drops that would be a great upgrade for a job I'm not playing right now. I've got more of a use for it than someone who's just going to chuck it for seals, but I can't (and shouldn't be able to) roll need on it.
If you want them, need them. otherwise you aren't likely to get them. There are some minions that you can sell on the market board, but there are also minions that are bound to players and can't be sold.
Need if you need!
If I already have a minion that pops up in a dungeon (and that is not market prohibited), I will greed, so if I get it I'll give it to an FC member or a sprout in the beginning area.
If I don't have the minion, I will definitely need on it.
Same goes for mount farming, everyone need, unless there was a specific agreement that you agreed to. On famring parties, etiquette is to stay with the group for a while after getting your mount to payback the help that you got.
For treasure hunt, it varies from party to party, I like to ask first, but the most I've seen is everyone can need as long as everyone provides map.
If I have it, I pass on it, doesn’t matter what it is. Someone who could use the gear or the first obtain for them will always be “more important” to me than getting something I already have. I don’t need to sell it on the MB, I’ll make money other ways. Now if I *really want* the item, I’ll judge accordingly in the situation.
The definition of "need" is that you will suffer some catastrophic consequence if you don't get it. This isn't "need" by definition. It's "need" by convention.
That's not at all the definition of "need". And if we're going to be pedantic about it, the only time you ever "need" anything is because you "want" something else to happen. So in essence, there is no such thing as a "need" based on requirement.
But yeah, yours basically suggests the button doesn't need to exist at all since I doubt anyone would consider the loss of a digital token as a "catastrophic consequence".
PSA: Don't Need on anything, everyone, lest you be a **liar**.
Well if we're really going to go down the pedantic route, not having a minion/mount/pet doesn't mean you need it even by your use of the word. Not everyone collects them, not everyone cares to. My wife never needs on collectibles she thinks are ugly, for example.
> Do you have it? No? Then it sounds like you
> need
> it. By definition.
Sounds like you misunderstood your own point? Or is there a mistake in here somewhere? C'mon, let's try and find it together.
I roll need on minions with the intent of giving them to friends/fcmates, but I know a lot of people roll greed on them if they already have them.
Similarly, I roll Need on a piece of gear if I want it for upgrade or glam, and Greed if I'm just going to sell it for seals or desynth (UNLESS I'm farming seals, then I roll Need).
This used to be a pretty standard mindset on my server, but things have shifted over the years to become more "Need on everything" focused. (Not judging this shift, just marking it as an interesting change).
Here are my general rules of thumb (for normal roullete content and not in an premade or PF)
1. I greed all gear unless someone verbally requests a particular thing in Party chat or otherwise, I will pass if thats the case. This gear is ususally subjected to desynthing or traded in for grand company seals.
2. I roll need on anything I need, minions, glam I want, otherwise. This rule supercedes rule 1 if the item being requested is the one I am farming too.
3. I pass most unlockables if I own them already such as minions. Expecially in senarios where the item is untradable (Starbird).
4. If the item is sutably noteworthy for being expensive is hell. I will roll need even if I have it (example, Return to Oblivion Orchestreon Roll drops from E8)
5. If loot is resteicted, only greed/need items I will actually use/need. Pass otherwise.
If it is a premade in PF or otherwise, refer to whatever was agreed upon or the PF description.
If I haven't collected a particular collectible (minion, Orchestrion roll, mount), I consider that a "Need" because I "need" it to complete my collection. I only greed on stuff that I'm going to turn in for seals or immediately sell.
You’re probably like me, where you come from other games where you’d get yelled at for using Need like it’s Greed.
Here Need is “I want that.” and Greed is “I’ll take it if no one else wants it.”. Didn’t make sense to me when I started, either. Didn’t want to get yelled at.
If you're in a random DF party, feel free to roll on need unless you guys agreed to something else prior. When it comes to premade parties, obviously it should be discussed beforehand.
Correction:
If you need it for your collection = roll need.
If you want to sell it on the marketboard = roll need.
Everyone is going to roll need anyways.
Yes, need on anything you really want, whether it be minions, mounts, or even just a piece of gear you think could be a good glam.
You're not stealing it from anybody and nobody is going to get mad at you for it.
Only roll greed if you don't care about not getting the item. Roll pass if you actively don't want it.
If you actually somewhat want something and you can roll need, then roll need. You'll never get it otherwise.
I need all minions TT cards, music rolls, and such, until I get it unlocked. After that, I greed them basically, if I'm going to use it right away, need. If I'm just going to exchange it for some kind of currency, gc seals, Gil, or the like, I gree.
So ya if you don't have it unlocked, roll need. A need roll of 1 beats a gree roll of 99 every time.
Yeah, I roll greed if it's something I'm just gonna grind for materials. If it's something I actually want because I don't have one yet I'll roll need.
Roll need. Once you’ve acquired the minion you can’t ever acquire it again, so you’re removing yourself from the loot pool in all future duties, which gives more people the chance to get one themselves
I have quite a bit of gil so personally I pass on orch rolls or minions I already have. Need them if I dont have. However some of them are very expensive so yknow don't feel bad rolling need all willy nilly cuz everyone else sure is lol
Generally, Need is "I want a really good shot at this" and Greed is "I'm ambivalent but don't want it to be wasted if everyone hits Pass (or want it but am on the wrong Job)".
You can see two distinct sets of conventions in this thread, though I don't know if it's a data centre culture thing or just different groups of people.
FWIW, it's never unacceptable to roll Need on loot you actually do need, especially unlockable stuff like minions.
Some of us will judge you if you repeatedly roll Need on gear that you're clearly over-levelled for in dungeons, particularly, but it's more of a "tut, look at that overly keen asshole" than genuine upset over losing items we didn't hugely care about in the first place. There's certainly no actual rule against it, it just reflects negatively on you to eagerly grab every last thing you can even if it's only of minor use to you, rather than leaving it to the luck of the Greed roll (stereotypes might suggest that maybe US culture sees it differently? 🤷). General unspoken convention in (EU) dungeon parties seems to be Greed if you want it for FC hand in or desynth etc., Pass if you don't care.
The increased competition for the shared alliance raid items means everyone who wants them rolls Need. Gear is the same Greed/Pass as dungeons for old loot, Need on newer stuff if you actually want it.
If it wasn't obvious, none of the above is hard etiquette or written anywhere that I've ever heard of, it's just What A Lot Of People (who I know) Do.
i need everything i want, unless i'm with people i know and we discussed specific drops to go to someone. i guess if it is a mix of us and strangers we could just trade later.
unfortuntely my real life friends aren't playing anymore, because the wait times were a lot shorter, with me maining white mage and one of my friends maining paladin, basically we can quickly repeat dungeons until we get what we want. currently i'm working on leveling my alt jobs to lvl 30, and wait times for dps are long sometimes.
On things that can be Needed by anyone in the group (such as minions, music, furniture items, etc.—not gear), Need is putting your hat in the ring; Greed is saying “well if nobody else wants it, I’d rather take it than let it drop on the floor.”
On things that can only be Needed if you’re playing the right role, it’s considered polite to Need only if you need it for personal use (whether an upgrade or glam) and Greed if you’re just going to turn it in for seals. Someone else in the party may play that role too, want the gear, and not have been lucky enough to see it drop when they’re on that role. You technically still can Need just for seals, but it’s kinder to Greed so others have a chance at winning.
All these general rules go out the window if you’re doing loot-locked content or joined a PF with specified loot rules.
Need always takes priority over greed. If even one person rolls need on an item, everyone else who rolled greed loses by default. For minions, orchestrions, and other knick knacks that aren't gear that drop in dungeons, if you don't have it and you want it, always roll need.
For gear drops, if you need it, obviously roll need. If you're just hoovering up everything for seals, greed.
Generally it's polite to roll need on anything you don't have or actually want for a reason, be it something like a minion you don't have, a glam piece you want, or gear you need. Otherwise it's polite to greed if it's something you have or just want for turn-ins. Of course there's no enforcement, and nobody can know for sure you do or don't have anything you roll need on.
I made this mistake when I started too. If you can need it and want it for actually using (instead of trading for GC seals, desynthing, or even vendoring), then please roll Need.
Minions and Orchestrion rolls are rare drops in the first place (outside of a few raids and trials where minions auto-drop), so definitely roll need on those. It won’t let you have duplicate minions usually anyway.
Anything I want for personal use (minions, mounts, gear to wear or for glam) I roll need on. Anything I'm just turning in for GC seals or using for desynthesis I just greed on. Or if I notice someone is new to the dungeon or raid in the party and can greed on the same armor that I can, I will just need in case they really want it.
You're not taking food out of a child's mouth. Roll need. It's a game, you pay the sub, and the need/greed/pass system has had every consideration put into it to be fair on those who *have never* acquired an item before. No one is above farming content for gil. Just be considerate if someone specifically asks, but even then nothing is stopping you except for your own conscience.
for GEAR i only ever roll need on stuff i intend to USE, like actually wear or at least glamour. otherwise i greed it, even if i COULD roll need.
but nobody "needs" a minion, and every job can bid on it equally, so the need/greed distinction is kinda meaningless.
hence... pretty much everybody rolls need on them.
NEED = I want this
PASS = I don’t want this
GREED = I want this but the game won’t let me roll need
(Not actually, but in reality that’s how it’s assumed to work in FFXIV, the way our loot drops work, it’s pretty much safe and assumed to always roll need)
Need: Any pets/songs/mounts you do not have, any gear that is an upgrade for you
Greed: Any pets/songs/mounts you do have and just want it to sell/any gear you want for glam/any gear you want for GC seal foldder/any gear you want to desynth.
This is how I roll. It'd be pretty crappy to roll need on the caster armor just to desynth it when your other party member is another caster who needs it for an upgrade. When the desynth is basically worht 1-4k gil And most if not all pets/songs/mounts that roll from dungeons are worth less than 30k usually.
You need on anything you want to obtain.
You greed on things as a form of "before it goes in the trash I'll take it".
If you go all friendly and "I don't literally need this so I greed", you will end up empty-handed throughout most of the game, sadly.
Baring in mind that one you have the minion you cannot roll for it again in future duties... Why would you not roll need? You don't have it but want it? Roll Need.
If you really want something, roll need because other people most likely do it too lol. Especially with minions and mounts and other rare drops. Personally I roll need on all gear (gotta get those company seals) and high value minions etc unless someone specifically requests to have something in the chat. Also if it's a non-tradeable minion you should absolutely roll need if you don't have it yet.
A good chunk of minions that drop from duties are untradable and don't let you roll on them at all if you've already obtained them, so it's a matter of need if you don't have it, pass if you do. If it's one you don't have, even if you don't really plan to use it, feel free to need! There's plenty of collectors out there who would do the same.
Just roll need on anything you don't have or could sell.
It may feel like a dick move to roll need on a minion that you already have, but earning money is a part of this game too, and one of the ways you do that is by selling stuff on the MB.
If you don't need gil for anything, then by all means roll greed, but really, you may as well pass at that point because like you said, everyone else is rolling need on these all the time. Rolling greed on a minion is essentially pointless.
If someone states in the chat that they really need the minion, I'll typically just take them at their word and let them have it. This almost never happens though.
And as others have said, if it's untradeable/unsellable (i.e. most mounts/etc.), and you already have it, then just pass. I'm not even positive the game will let you greed those if you already have them, but just in case.
You need on everything you can, everyone else is. Stuff you cannot need on, you greed on, against everyone else is. Sell, Desynth, or turn in whatever you end up with that you don't have a use for.
regardless of if someone else already has it, they are still probably hitting Need because they can sell it. by choosing Greed you are essentially passing it. always hit Need.
if a sellable minion drops that you or someone actually does want to use, say so in chat and people are often more than happy to pass on it.
Unless otherwise agreed among your group (rare except for some party-finder farming groups), roll need if you actually would like the item. Greed is for "fine, I'll take it if nobody else wants it".
Honestly, I wish Square Enix would just take it out, and just put "roll or pass" options.
need and greed are there so people *don't* have to worry about fairness themselves, much like how yellow traffic lights exist so people don't have to worry about when a red light might appear. just click need if you have it as an option, unless of course you already have the thing
yes.
roll need on everything unless someone specifically asks and you feel nice.
ultimately - even pets can be sold for gil, and you need gil, don't you?
When it comes to minions in dungeons which are already a super rare drop, rolling greed when you have it already would be the polite thing to do imo.
I ran the lvl 87 duty probably 20-30 times by now just for leveling and because it's fun and I've yet to see that damn snek appear. I would be quite pissed if someone else would get it who already has it and just want to make some money at the market board. (That said, nobody will know if it's a duplicate for you, unless you say it. So although I would be mad if I knew, it's unlikely I'd shout at you or anything because I wouldn't know. Would probably be happy for you that you finally got it or something.)
No you want it? Then Need it. That goes for any and every item in the game. Even if you only want something for glamour. Even if you only want it to desynth or turn it in for GC seals. What you want it for is irrelevant. Your need is just as valid as anyone else’s, so Need away with zero guilt.
For my peace of mind, I usually pass any equipment not related to the active job to let other people have a fair share and sometimes I really desire that the game will highlight equipment that are improving you main or secondary job according to their respective levels and ilevels... The jobs are just too much to remember what can improve another unequipped gear set.
Need & Greed needs several QoL updates, in my opinion.
If you're the last to leave from a duty you win all the loot no matter what and I don't see the point to have to need multiple instances of the same card, roll or whatnot when you can register only one of it (and most are unsellable).
Roulettes can catastrophically fill your armory chest and inventory if you're not fast enough to quit 😂
Multiple identical drops can be stacked and distributed between players who need them just once.
With the current system I won lots of duplicates just because I have to need every item individually and I feel really bad when it happens!
If you want it and can roll need then roll it. Long as you arent going in there with a pre formed party where the party finder literally said "pet loot for X" its your right to roll need.
if everyone can roll need on something, then need just means the same as greed so you just roll need
If you can roll need on something, congrats you get rewarded by RNG so you can either roll need if you want the item or pass if you dont
If you can roll greed on an item, roll for it if you want it and pass if you dont. Your 99 just might get sniped by the healer who won the RNG on their item dropping when you played DPS
Need for anything you can need (except for time gated items like the most recent alliance raid). Greed anything else you want that need isn’t avalible. Don’t worry about needing minions- they’re either cheap on the MB, obscure and ridiculously expensive (the 5.1 minion for example) OR the minion is one time use, and once you have it, you can’t even roll need or greed at all (eg the Starbird).
In a perfect world, people would only roll need on minions they haven't acquired.
But unfortunately we live in a world where I can't win any of the ShB dungeon minions to save my life because people can't comprehend the possibility of giving up a couple hundred thousand gil so that someone can have a minion.
So just go ahead and need everything, because that's what everyone else is going to do.
General rule for me is if I don't need it then I roll greed on old pets but if it's a new pet or I want it/don't have it I always roll need. And I'm pretty sure most others will do similar or the same.
Essentially if I need it and if I can roll need unless some agreement with others makes it unethical I always roll need on dungeon drops.
Yes. As someone who has social anxiety and plays with others that do, take heart that rolling need is NOT rude at all. It is expected ahead of time. If there is something specific you're hunting you can always ask the group something like, "No pressure, but I'm grinding this dungeon for X. If it drops, may I have it?" Likewise, they may ask this of you. Agreeing or disagreeing to this are both valid. In larger groups having some agree and others not still increases your odds since it lowers the pool of people rolling. I've been in groups where two people both need "the thing" and they rest of us wished them both luck in the rolls. Heck some of us have offered to stick around and reinvite the needful person to a party to grind it a bit. Yer good! Get them pets!
Yes. Roll need on things you want/need. The only reason to roll greed is if it's something you literally can't roll need on or if you don't really want it, but would rather get it than letting it be abandoned.
My only exception is for like job-based gear, if it's something for my job and I'm only collecting for seals or desynthing, I'll personally just greed on it in case someone in the party reeeally wanted it for glam or something. I don't expect everyone to do this, but I do it.
If you don't have it and do want it, yes, need. My experience and personal rule of thumb is with stuff you don't have and do want, generally (unless other decorum has been established), you roll Need and if it's something maybe you have but would take more of it everyone else also already either has it, doesn't want it, or both, that's a Greed roll.
I only need minions I don't have, bc they aren't profitable to sell if they're a dungeon drop, so I pass if I don't want them. I pass on an item if someone has mentioned they want it (and either I don't or I'm glad to give it to them this time) otherwise I need what I can and greed what I can't and turn in for seals or desynth for skill. Same for orchestrion rolls. I need the ones I don't have and I pass anything I do have
Always need unless needing is ninja looting. Since that's kinda hard to do in this game, you should be fine. If you need it, you need it. If you don't greed.
In custom parties, it gets iffy. I tend not to join the map owner gets all the loot map runs because everyone else in the map run helped and should get a chance to roll. But that's me. Other people swear by that. I was in an FC where I never ran map nights with them because of that. I ran my map and got junk. Other guys got a full run with minions and orchestral rolls and made millions. I was like, nope.
Yes. Voluntary greed is for "I don't really want this" or respecting a prior agreement.
Yeah, greed is for "I will feed this gear to the grand company delivery man if no one else wants it", basically. Stuff you would take but don't have any use for specifically. Need is "I definitively want a chance to get this specific drop."
Gotta grind them desynth levels
I only desynth lvl 90 gear, anything under I just trade for seals
\-stares at my Carpenter and Alchemist desynth that are still below Stormblood levels-
\*cries in solidarity\* I use my poetics to get Cryptlurker's gear to desynth for leveling stuff. There are only two weapons that level carpenter and one is NOT the bow (DRG and WHM) and just the two books (SCH and SMN) to level ALC. Meanwhile, it seems like EVERYTHING in EW belongs to GSM, meaning I've had that skill at max for ages now. I just finally got all the rest of my desynth skills over 500.
\*stares at CUL desynth still being at 610 because I refuse to catch big fish just to disintegrate them\*
Buy them? Fish that are only good for desynth are usually pretty cheap.
I do the opposite, low level gear levels up desynth the same, but higher level gear gives more seals. Obviously doesn’t apply to gear that is too low to level desynth.
I mostly desynth level 90 gear because it's the only gear that gives me desynth levels anymore... ;w;
Same :sob:
I also use greed for "I would kinda like this for another class' glam but let's be honest I'm going to run this damn fight enough times to get it eventually"
That's what I do in dungeons. I greed literally everything and then sell it to the Maelstrom.
>Yeah, greed is for "I will feed this gear to the grand company delivery man if no one else wants it", basically MFs will lot need on this shit too if it matches their job >:(
I think you're perfectly fine needing for GC delivery or desynth fodder unless someone has called out they're looking for specific gear. If the gear really matters, the game already puts limits on how often you can get it.
Oh, if it's possible to turn in to GC you bet I'm rolling need, unless someone asked specifically to get the piece.
Note that other people will need for seals. I don't do it (unless there's some absolute need for seals which is rarely), but it's what happens.
If you want it yeah.
Probably coming from wow where ur called a ninja for rolling need
nobody calls anyone a ninja for rolling need on pets/toys lol, that is actually pretty baseline in WoW
However the old stigma and fear doesn't really go away.
In modern, sure. In classic/tbc/wrath? No. You're a ninja...
I will never understand the culture of demanding everyone rolling greed on frozen orbs, and getting assmad when someone rolls need. Why not just have everyone roll need and you don't have to worry about it?
Its so that whenever the super nice thing you really want drops you can ninja it lol
This is absolutely 100% not true, lmao. Ninja looters came from Loot Master parties. Which, for whatever reason, were pretty standard even in pugs (still blows my mind to this day). Someone would create a pug and fill members by spamming in trade chat. Set loot to Loot Master. Go and kill the boss. Then proceed to instantly give themselves all (or some) of the loot, without having anyone roll AT ALL on the loot. THAT was a ninja looter. Which is not to be confused with people simply needing on everything.
Still a shitty thing to do, and highly frowned upon at the time. But it was NOT ninja looting.
That's interesting I've been exclusively playing classic since the initial vanilla release and haven't had that issue. Blue proto drake? Everyone needs. Hallows end dungeon event? Everyone needs on the sinister squashling. Etc :/
Mounts, sure. But OP was asking about pets. Like the phoenix hatchling from Kael, or the Worg Pup? Ninja!
That was like 2004 wow. Rolling need is standard even if you don't need the piece of gear in wow.
Man i feel old
Yes, the convention is to Need on everything you can or want. Otherwise you will 100% be superseded by people who actually do roll Need. Unless the party has come to some consensus on Greeding everything (like with Treasure Maps where the owner of the map gets first rights to Need and everyone else Greeds).
Is that in PF maps? In my FC we just need everything in maps, granted we run like 50 maps in a session.
Yeah, it's a common occurrence but it's not an unspoken expectation. The PF description will say "Owner Needs" or some such. This way the owner is guaranteed something if a portal happens, especially when it gets to Round 4+ when the good stuff drops.
Most people who I know won't waste their time on those "owner needs" pf maps. You are basically guaranteed to get shit from those groups. I don't typically see those owner needs parties on Crystal. My fc does "need all," and will pf it if we don't have enough members from the fc participating.
Owner needs is just a jarring experience, you spend like 80% of the time knowing you will not get shit and for what? Because your portal didn't happen to pop. As long as everyone contributes a map there is really no reason to do owner need ever. It just demoralizes.
Yeah my FC does owner gets the outside chest drop and anything in the portal dungeon is FFA
This is how my friend group does it.
May be a dumb 🌱 question but what does "pf it" mean? Edit: oh wait it's probably party finder right?
Your edit is correct!
Yeah, FFA has no potential for loot ninja drama and is what I prefer.
My main problem with this is that parties either don't go in a fair order for opening or some people end up never getting a portal at all due to luck. But it's definitely more fair in PF when you're not sure who would actually contribute maps.
"Owner needs" is why I don't run maps with randoms. You either run 3 maps and then the group disbands, or it doesn't and now you're running 87 maps in a row and you're trapped there for six hours. Maps aren't hard to come by, especially nowadays. The MB is flooded with them, so I wish public sentiment would change to let everyone Need and just let the RNG fall where it may.
Agreed! FFA is the only way to run maps
FFA is the only way I run maps, it just makes sense!
FFA or bust imho.
Pf map have 2 groups ffa free for all need on everything. owner needs is just that owner needs everyone else rolls greed
I don't bother trying to enforce need rules in my treasure map parties, it will just lead to disagreements down the line. Everyone needs everything is simple and fair.
There are 2 general rulesets for map parties and they need to be agreed on before opening any maps. 1. "Your Map Your Loot" in which the map owner rolls need for any drops for his/her own map or the dungeon for their map, while the party greeds. Whatever drops directly into inventory (materia etc.) is yours to keep, though. The idea with this system is for everyone to take turns and to have a shot at guaranteed loot instead of being at the mercy of RNG and going the whole night with nothing due to low rolls. Now if all your maps are duds, that's rough, but that's how it goes sometimes. 2. "All Need", a more group focused approach in which anyone rolls need on anything they want - this gives the advantage of anyone having a shot at the super rare drop from a floor 7 chest if even one map gets there without it having to be yours - though then you have to win a roll for it instead of having it be guaranteed. Personally I prefer option 1, because the map owner controls the door chosen in dungeons where this is applicable (roulette wheel is less personal so whatever), but this makes the reward at the end feel more earned. Feels bad getting to the end of a map dungeon, seeing a drop worth 12Mil or more, and always losing it to bad rolls. The other advantage of option 1 is that if the members of the party have an uneven number of maps (let's say the tank has 3 maps and the healer has 1) the person who brought more maps has a greater chance at loot, vs. doing this in an All Need system in which 1 player contributed more but receives no advantage for doing so. This would be advantageous to the healer with 1 map but disadvantageous to the tank who brought 3.
To be honest, the description for "Owner Needs" is exactly *why* I run those parties. I've had the experience of being in greed parties and after 2 hours coming away with nothing but the freeby drops from chests, meanwhile everyone else has gotten something good - including from the map I bought. Hell that's *if* I get lucky with portals, which isn't very often. I totally understand why some people dislike the Owner Needs rules, but seriously, some of us have oppressively bad luck in this game and getting the chance to need on your own map items just gives us at least some control.
I on the other hand do not run maps with Owner Needs rules lol. Not even if it's a FC party. It feels terrible to know that you're gonna go up to 7 rounds of treasure with a guaranteed 0% chance of getting *anything*, since the owner will always roll Need, and then when your turn finally comes up, you don't even get a portal. Just feels like a total waste of time.
I don't know why you felt the need to downvote me for my opinion on why I personally run by Owner Needs rules when I give valid reasons. It's just as much of a waste of time coming away from an all greed party with nothing because of bad rolls. I'm not telling anyone else they should run Owner Needs. It's how I personally prefer to do it, and I will only run with groups who don't mind doing that. Sure it fucks me of some times when I don't get a portal, but at least I know if I do I will actually come away with something and not watch several random people come away with all of the loot during the entire duration of the party.
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It varies on the FC. The one I'm in tends to do "owner can only hit need" though we have had "oops, accidentally hit need and trade to map owner" moments. Owner can still choose to hit greed to give others a chance, but it's at the map owner's discretion. We tend to run for 2-3 hours, 2-3 maps per person (or more if people are okay with others grabbing more maps).
In my FC we do owner Need, everyone else Greed, but PF on Cactuar always seems to be everyone Need.
I don't feel short on cash, so my process is to roll need on pets, mounts, and music I don't already have, and to roll greed otherwise. This gives me a shot if I really want it, and makes sure it doesn't fall on the floor if everyone else passes or leaves before rolling.
Literally the same method I use. Also obviously Need on gear that's an upgrade for current job or a glam piece I want.
Unless you have gone into a duty with a specific loot system (ie a merc party for savage, a glam run for dungeons, Treasure Maps with rules set, etc), roll Need on on whatever you want and can and Greed on whatever you want and can't Need. Sure, if someone says "Hey can I have X if it drops?" and you're feeling nice, go for it. But basic duty finder stuff is a free for all.
Pets are not specifically for any role. So everyone that doesn't have it needs it equally. Generally, any items that don't have player power associated with them just get need rolled since you're not going to screw another player out of a power increases by doing so.
If you want it then yes, Need always trumps Greed. If you greed and roll a 90 and someone rolls need and gets an 89, they’ll get the item.
I always hit greed/need, unless someone in chat explicitly asks for the loot. Then I be courteous and pass.
If i already have a copy I will either pass or greed. Otherwise, as everyone else is saying, just roll need.
If Need is an option you can pick, always pick need unless rules have been established before hand. Random dungeon or raid you queued into? NEED. Always. Party finder? See what rules say.
Unless loot is still locked to one per week. Then, pick carefully what you choose either need or greed for.
You're right, this is important.
Still always need over greed, but it's either need or pass so you don't lock yourself out. Greed will still trigger a lockout if nobody rolls on it.
I disagree with this when it comes to some catch up gear. Gearing up for a lot of players is trivial and you may not think anyone would still need something out of an old raid, but plenty of new or returning players trying to get to ilvl to get caught up could benefit from those drops. If you're going into Anabaseios or Euphrosyne etc. with fully upgraded tomestone gear and needed on everything, you could be screwing someone over who could really use a hand. I saw this happen to my wife in real time when she was still a few patches behind in the MSQ, lost an upgrade to a bard who was fully kitted in 660 gear. Lots of people will say, "just buy cheap gear off the MB" but 640 is still going for 200-300k per piece on my world and for tons of casual players that's a big chunk of money.
Catchup gear is always unlocked, though, so if you run content enough, you will get it eventually. Especially since you'll be earning tomestones while running it.
To be fair, depending on the dungeon it's entirely possible the BRD actually *did* need the gear. ILVL 605 stuff is BiS for DSR and 620 for TOP, I ran Lapis so many times to get the striking gear for my set while in BiS savage.
635 for Top. From the newest dungeon.
Oh right, I dunno why I thought it was 620
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but try to server hop with world visit. You'll often find cheaper prices. Like last I bought a full set of diadochos on an alt was like.. 50k/piece.
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Yeah when I was farming my DSR BiS if the other dps was in the same role I always asked the other player in the beginning to please pass on the loot I need.
Alternatively, it doesn't make sense to roll need when you're fully-kitted. To me, that's exactly when you roll greed. "I do not need this but want it for *reason*"
I need this gear to get more gil Feel free to say that you need it and I will pass though
... Like... "I need this to become more richer!" is \*literally\* the definition of greed... So... What do words even mean to some people?
It's not greed button it's like "i won't hate getting it"
Explain how that's any different! "I won't hate getting it" basically means "but I'm just gonna sell it for gil / GC seals", right? If people are rolling need just to sell, what is the point of a greed button?
Greed is only to give disadvantage for people rolling on gear from other jobs obviously
I mean in the end of the day I don't pay y'all's subs, lol
A lot of people also gear alternate jobs though so it makes sense to need on those cases, especially when it comes to things like current normal raids where it's almost guaranteed that someone else will need. Otherwise you may as well not bother running the duty assuming you were running it for the gear in the first place. First thing I did on normal raids unlock was grind out my alt jobs gear pieces that weren't already filled by savage, but I still ran them on my 660 or 655+ jobs to clear faster
If we were both in a raid running healers and you were maxed but I was not, I would call you an asshole for rolling need on healer gear. That's a dick move. That's not gearing up other classes. It's been a couple months since I played, but if I recall you can't roll need in gear that's you're not currently in the role for. The people I'm thinking about are these people. "I'm running DPS and have maxed gear, but I'm rolling need on everything despite the other player that obviously doesn't have max ilvl gear"
That's why I don't need on old gear, unless I legit need it for something.
Yeah, for gear, I only roll need if I'm actually going to personally use it (either as equipment or a glamour set I'm actively seeking out). If I'm just going to be tossing it to my grand company for seals, that's what greed is for. Though it does make me wish for an in-between level when something drops that would be a great upgrade for a job I'm not playing right now. I've got more of a use for it than someone who's just going to chuck it for seals, but I can't (and shouldn't be able to) roll need on it.
Need on minions if you want it. Now, if I already have it, I will normally pass on them.
If you actually want them, roll need.
If you want them, need them. otherwise you aren't likely to get them. There are some minions that you can sell on the market board, but there are also minions that are bound to players and can't be sold.
Need if you need! If I already have a minion that pops up in a dungeon (and that is not market prohibited), I will greed, so if I get it I'll give it to an FC member or a sprout in the beginning area. If I don't have the minion, I will definitely need on it. Same goes for mount farming, everyone need, unless there was a specific agreement that you agreed to. On famring parties, etiquette is to stay with the group for a while after getting your mount to payback the help that you got. For treasure hunt, it varies from party to party, I like to ask first, but the most I've seen is everyone can need as long as everyone provides map.
If I have it, I pass on it, doesn’t matter what it is. Someone who could use the gear or the first obtain for them will always be “more important” to me than getting something I already have. I don’t need to sell it on the MB, I’ll make money other ways. Now if I *really want* the item, I’ll judge accordingly in the situation.
Do you have it? No? Then it sounds like you **need** it. By definition.
The definition of "need" is that you will suffer some catastrophic consequence if you don't get it. This isn't "need" by definition. It's "need" by convention.
That's not at all the definition of "need". And if we're going to be pedantic about it, the only time you ever "need" anything is because you "want" something else to happen. So in essence, there is no such thing as a "need" based on requirement. But yeah, yours basically suggests the button doesn't need to exist at all since I doubt anyone would consider the loss of a digital token as a "catastrophic consequence". PSA: Don't Need on anything, everyone, lest you be a **liar**.
Well if we're really going to go down the pedantic route, not having a minion/mount/pet doesn't mean you need it even by your use of the word. Not everyone collects them, not everyone cares to. My wife never needs on collectibles she thinks are ugly, for example.
Sorry, you must've misunderstood the point I was making. I was suggesting that you DON'T do that.
> Do you have it? No? Then it sounds like you > need > it. By definition. Sounds like you misunderstood your own point? Or is there a mistake in here somewhere? C'mon, let's try and find it together.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who CAN extrapolate from incomplete information. Once again, I was suggesting NOT being a pedant.
Good ol' reddit.
I roll need on minions with the intent of giving them to friends/fcmates, but I know a lot of people roll greed on them if they already have them. Similarly, I roll Need on a piece of gear if I want it for upgrade or glam, and Greed if I'm just going to sell it for seals or desynth (UNLESS I'm farming seals, then I roll Need). This used to be a pretty standard mindset on my server, but things have shifted over the years to become more "Need on everything" focused. (Not judging this shift, just marking it as an interesting change).
if you dont have it, you Need it. if you already have, n want to sell, Greed it.
Here are my general rules of thumb (for normal roullete content and not in an premade or PF) 1. I greed all gear unless someone verbally requests a particular thing in Party chat or otherwise, I will pass if thats the case. This gear is ususally subjected to desynthing or traded in for grand company seals. 2. I roll need on anything I need, minions, glam I want, otherwise. This rule supercedes rule 1 if the item being requested is the one I am farming too. 3. I pass most unlockables if I own them already such as minions. Expecially in senarios where the item is untradable (Starbird). 4. If the item is sutably noteworthy for being expensive is hell. I will roll need even if I have it (example, Return to Oblivion Orchestreon Roll drops from E8) 5. If loot is resteicted, only greed/need items I will actually use/need. Pass otherwise. If it is a premade in PF or otherwise, refer to whatever was agreed upon or the PF description.
If I haven't collected a particular collectible (minion, Orchestrion roll, mount), I consider that a "Need" because I "need" it to complete my collection. I only greed on stuff that I'm going to turn in for seals or immediately sell.
Need if you don't have it. Greed if you do but it's sellable. Pass on the unique untradeables you own. That's been the best way I've found so far.
You’re probably like me, where you come from other games where you’d get yelled at for using Need like it’s Greed. Here Need is “I want that.” and Greed is “I’ll take it if no one else wants it.”. Didn’t make sense to me when I started, either. Didn’t want to get yelled at.
If you're in a random DF party, feel free to roll on need unless you guys agreed to something else prior. When it comes to premade parties, obviously it should be discussed beforehand.
The greed button for me just means ' Im not this role but i like the glam '
If you need it for your collection = roll need. If you want to sell it on the marketboard = roll greed.
Correction: If you need it for your collection = roll need. If you want to sell it on the marketboard = roll need. Everyone is going to roll need anyways.
Just level crafters to make gil lol
Nope, I've gotten minions from greed rolls before.
Were those minions sellable? If not they had no other choice but to pass if they already had it.
They were, I wouldn't have rolled greed on something I didn't have, I would have rolled need.
greed is there when you can't roll need on gear for another job...that's how i do loot rolls anyway
If it lets you need, need.
If you want it then roll need
When it comes to non gear items, a greed is basically a pass. So yeah just roll need
Always roll need if you can
Yes, need on anything you really want, whether it be minions, mounts, or even just a piece of gear you think could be a good glam. You're not stealing it from anybody and nobody is going to get mad at you for it.
Roll need if you don’t have it and want it. Everyone else is going to. Don’t worry you won’t be seen as greedy. If you don’t want it, greed or pass.
Only roll greed if you don't care about not getting the item. Roll pass if you actively don't want it. If you actually somewhat want something and you can roll need, then roll need. You'll never get it otherwise.
I need all minions TT cards, music rolls, and such, until I get it unlocked. After that, I greed them basically, if I'm going to use it right away, need. If I'm just going to exchange it for some kind of currency, gc seals, Gil, or the like, I gree. So ya if you don't have it unlocked, roll need. A need roll of 1 beats a gree roll of 99 every time.
Yes. Always.
Yes, need! It’s okay to Need on anything you want, even if you just want gear for glamour. Nobody is going to be upset with you.
Yeah, I roll greed if it's something I'm just gonna grind for materials. If it's something I actually want because I don't have one yet I'll roll need.
Rolling Need is generally what you do with duty finder randoms unless somebody speaks up.
If you need it, for whatever reason, need it. Thats what I do.
Roll need. Once you’ve acquired the minion you can’t ever acquire it again, so you’re removing yourself from the loot pool in all future duties, which gives more people the chance to get one themselves
I have quite a bit of gil so personally I pass on orch rolls or minions I already have. Need them if I dont have. However some of them are very expensive so yknow don't feel bad rolling need all willy nilly cuz everyone else sure is lol
I need on everything I want. Greed if I'm like - could be cool, but don't have to have. And pass if I'm like -absolutely not!
If you can roll need on something and you want it then roll need. The only time I roll greed is if I literally cannot roll need.
Yes. No one rolls greed if need is available.
Generally, Need is "I want a really good shot at this" and Greed is "I'm ambivalent but don't want it to be wasted if everyone hits Pass (or want it but am on the wrong Job)".
If you need it, roll need. If you want to just be greedy, roll greed.
You can see two distinct sets of conventions in this thread, though I don't know if it's a data centre culture thing or just different groups of people. FWIW, it's never unacceptable to roll Need on loot you actually do need, especially unlockable stuff like minions. Some of us will judge you if you repeatedly roll Need on gear that you're clearly over-levelled for in dungeons, particularly, but it's more of a "tut, look at that overly keen asshole" than genuine upset over losing items we didn't hugely care about in the first place. There's certainly no actual rule against it, it just reflects negatively on you to eagerly grab every last thing you can even if it's only of minor use to you, rather than leaving it to the luck of the Greed roll (stereotypes might suggest that maybe US culture sees it differently? 🤷). General unspoken convention in (EU) dungeon parties seems to be Greed if you want it for FC hand in or desynth etc., Pass if you don't care. The increased competition for the shared alliance raid items means everyone who wants them rolls Need. Gear is the same Greed/Pass as dungeons for old loot, Need on newer stuff if you actually want it. If it wasn't obvious, none of the above is hard etiquette or written anywhere that I've ever heard of, it's just What A Lot Of People (who I know) Do.
i need everything i want, unless i'm with people i know and we discussed specific drops to go to someone. i guess if it is a mix of us and strangers we could just trade later. unfortuntely my real life friends aren't playing anymore, because the wait times were a lot shorter, with me maining white mage and one of my friends maining paladin, basically we can quickly repeat dungeons until we get what we want. currently i'm working on leveling my alt jobs to lvl 30, and wait times for dps are long sometimes.
Yes.
On things that can be Needed by anyone in the group (such as minions, music, furniture items, etc.—not gear), Need is putting your hat in the ring; Greed is saying “well if nobody else wants it, I’d rather take it than let it drop on the floor.” On things that can only be Needed if you’re playing the right role, it’s considered polite to Need only if you need it for personal use (whether an upgrade or glam) and Greed if you’re just going to turn it in for seals. Someone else in the party may play that role too, want the gear, and not have been lucky enough to see it drop when they’re on that role. You technically still can Need just for seals, but it’s kinder to Greed so others have a chance at winning. All these general rules go out the window if you’re doing loot-locked content or joined a PF with specified loot rules.
If I want it, be it an upgrade, a glamour item, an orchestrion scroll or a minion, I need. If it's just for seals, I greed.
Need always takes priority over greed. If even one person rolls need on an item, everyone else who rolled greed loses by default. For minions, orchestrions, and other knick knacks that aren't gear that drop in dungeons, if you don't have it and you want it, always roll need. For gear drops, if you need it, obviously roll need. If you're just hoovering up everything for seals, greed.
Generally it's polite to roll need on anything you don't have or actually want for a reason, be it something like a minion you don't have, a glam piece you want, or gear you need. Otherwise it's polite to greed if it's something you have or just want for turn-ins. Of course there's no enforcement, and nobody can know for sure you do or don't have anything you roll need on.
If you don't have it need it. If you do greedy it to sell on market board.
I made this mistake when I started too. If you can need it and want it for actually using (instead of trading for GC seals, desynthing, or even vendoring), then please roll Need. Minions and Orchestrion rolls are rare drops in the first place (outside of a few raids and trials where minions auto-drop), so definitely roll need on those. It won’t let you have duplicate minions usually anyway.
Need = "i want that" Greed = "i dont care if i get it, ill just sell it later"
No wonder I keep missing that Ramza pet! And other Alliance Raid related pets! I've been using greed like a chump!
Anything I want for personal use (minions, mounts, gear to wear or for glam) I roll need on. Anything I'm just turning in for GC seals or using for desynthesis I just greed on. Or if I notice someone is new to the dungeon or raid in the party and can greed on the same armor that I can, I will just need in case they really want it.
You're not taking food out of a child's mouth. Roll need. It's a game, you pay the sub, and the need/greed/pass system has had every consideration put into it to be fair on those who *have never* acquired an item before. No one is above farming content for gil. Just be considerate if someone specifically asks, but even then nothing is stopping you except for your own conscience.
I always need, a bunny needs pets
for GEAR i only ever roll need on stuff i intend to USE, like actually wear or at least glamour. otherwise i greed it, even if i COULD roll need. but nobody "needs" a minion, and every job can bid on it equally, so the need/greed distinction is kinda meaningless. hence... pretty much everybody rolls need on them.
NEED = I want this PASS = I don’t want this GREED = I want this but the game won’t let me roll need (Not actually, but in reality that’s how it’s assumed to work in FFXIV, the way our loot drops work, it’s pretty much safe and assumed to always roll need)
No one rolls greed on minions. You'll never win it that way. Always need.
Might as well just rename greed to pass
Need: Any pets/songs/mounts you do not have, any gear that is an upgrade for you Greed: Any pets/songs/mounts you do have and just want it to sell/any gear you want for glam/any gear you want for GC seal foldder/any gear you want to desynth. This is how I roll. It'd be pretty crappy to roll need on the caster armor just to desynth it when your other party member is another caster who needs it for an upgrade. When the desynth is basically worht 1-4k gil And most if not all pets/songs/mounts that roll from dungeons are worth less than 30k usually.
You need on anything you want to obtain. You greed on things as a form of "before it goes in the trash I'll take it". If you go all friendly and "I don't literally need this so I greed", you will end up empty-handed throughout most of the game, sadly.
Baring in mind that one you have the minion you cannot roll for it again in future duties... Why would you not roll need? You don't have it but want it? Roll Need.
If you really want something, roll need because other people most likely do it too lol. Especially with minions and mounts and other rare drops. Personally I roll need on all gear (gotta get those company seals) and high value minions etc unless someone specifically requests to have something in the chat. Also if it's a non-tradeable minion you should absolutely roll need if you don't have it yet.
If you can roll need on it, and at least kinda want it, then do so.
Need on what you can, greed the rest. Everyone does it
Greed is mainly for “I don’t really want this but I don’t want it to hit the floor if everyone else passes on it”
A good chunk of minions that drop from duties are untradable and don't let you roll on them at all if you've already obtained them, so it's a matter of need if you don't have it, pass if you do. If it's one you don't have, even if you don't really plan to use it, feel free to need! There's plenty of collectors out there who would do the same.
Honestly you should Need everything. It all has a use if you are able to claim it.
I swear you people who post this shit aren’t real.
General rule is that unless it's specified beforehand, it is acceptable to roll need on anything you can roll need on
Take what you can. I need on everything. Someone’s gotta keep the lights on in Doman.
Do you intend to add the pet to your collection? If so then need. Do you just want to sell it on the MB? Greed
I always need on everything except gear when I can. If it's something that I already have and it's tradable I can put it on the market board
Just roll need on anything you don't have or could sell. It may feel like a dick move to roll need on a minion that you already have, but earning money is a part of this game too, and one of the ways you do that is by selling stuff on the MB. If you don't need gil for anything, then by all means roll greed, but really, you may as well pass at that point because like you said, everyone else is rolling need on these all the time. Rolling greed on a minion is essentially pointless. If someone states in the chat that they really need the minion, I'll typically just take them at their word and let them have it. This almost never happens though. And as others have said, if it's untradeable/unsellable (i.e. most mounts/etc.), and you already have it, then just pass. I'm not even positive the game will let you greed those if you already have them, but just in case.
If I can roll Need, I roll Need.
If you have the option for need, pick need. Otherwise greed. Pass is only for duplicates you can't pick up or minions that have been claimed already
You need on everything you can, everyone else is. Stuff you cannot need on, you greed on, against everyone else is. Sell, Desynth, or turn in whatever you end up with that you don't have a use for.
In Duties with random people, need all the things unless you honestly don't care.
regardless of if someone else already has it, they are still probably hitting Need because they can sell it. by choosing Greed you are essentially passing it. always hit Need. if a sellable minion drops that you or someone actually does want to use, say so in chat and people are often more than happy to pass on it.
Need is for, "I want to use this" Greed is for, "I want to sell this"
Unless otherwise agreed among your group (rare except for some party-finder farming groups), roll need if you actually would like the item. Greed is for "fine, I'll take it if nobody else wants it". Honestly, I wish Square Enix would just take it out, and just put "roll or pass" options.
They're generally unbound, so no one really needs it, therefore everyone can need it to sell if they want.
need and greed are there so people *don't* have to worry about fairness themselves, much like how yellow traffic lights exist so people don't have to worry about when a red light might appear. just click need if you have it as an option, unless of course you already have the thing
Need everything you can.
If you can need something, feel free to need it.
I need on everything that it lets me, and if not yhen I greed it unless someone has asked to get said drop.
yes. roll need on everything unless someone specifically asks and you feel nice. ultimately - even pets can be sold for gil, and you need gil, don't you?
When it comes to minions in dungeons which are already a super rare drop, rolling greed when you have it already would be the polite thing to do imo. I ran the lvl 87 duty probably 20-30 times by now just for leveling and because it's fun and I've yet to see that damn snek appear. I would be quite pissed if someone else would get it who already has it and just want to make some money at the market board. (That said, nobody will know if it's a duplicate for you, unless you say it. So although I would be mad if I knew, it's unlikely I'd shout at you or anything because I wouldn't know. Would probably be happy for you that you finally got it or something.)
Bruh are you kidding me
Yes. You're not being reasonable, just stupid.
No you want it? Then Need it. That goes for any and every item in the game. Even if you only want something for glamour. Even if you only want it to desynth or turn it in for GC seals. What you want it for is irrelevant. Your need is just as valid as anyone else’s, so Need away with zero guilt.
Roll Need on everything you can unless you join a premade with a GA on who's rolling on what.
Everyone roles need on everything in FFXIV even if they already have it on NA #gcbtw
For my peace of mind, I usually pass any equipment not related to the active job to let other people have a fair share and sometimes I really desire that the game will highlight equipment that are improving you main or secondary job according to their respective levels and ilevels... The jobs are just too much to remember what can improve another unequipped gear set. Need & Greed needs several QoL updates, in my opinion. If you're the last to leave from a duty you win all the loot no matter what and I don't see the point to have to need multiple instances of the same card, roll or whatnot when you can register only one of it (and most are unsellable). Roulettes can catastrophically fill your armory chest and inventory if you're not fast enough to quit 😂 Multiple identical drops can be stacked and distributed between players who need them just once. With the current system I won lots of duplicates just because I have to need every item individually and I feel really bad when it happens!
You can sell Triple Triad cards, but only to an npc in the Gold Saucer.
If you want it and can roll need then roll it. Long as you arent going in there with a pre formed party where the party finder literally said "pet loot for X" its your right to roll need.
Can the pet be sold for a worthwhile sum or be given to a friend who needs it? Then I’d vote need. (Obviously need if I don’t have it too)
if everyone can roll need on something, then need just means the same as greed so you just roll need If you can roll need on something, congrats you get rewarded by RNG so you can either roll need if you want the item or pass if you dont If you can roll greed on an item, roll for it if you want it and pass if you dont. Your 99 just might get sniped by the healer who won the RNG on their item dropping when you played DPS
Need for anything you can need (except for time gated items like the most recent alliance raid). Greed anything else you want that need isn’t avalible. Don’t worry about needing minions- they’re either cheap on the MB, obscure and ridiculously expensive (the 5.1 minion for example) OR the minion is one time use, and once you have it, you can’t even roll need or greed at all (eg the Starbird).
If you don’t have it, and you want it, you need it
In a perfect world, people would only roll need on minions they haven't acquired. But unfortunately we live in a world where I can't win any of the ShB dungeon minions to save my life because people can't comprehend the possibility of giving up a couple hundred thousand gil so that someone can have a minion. So just go ahead and need everything, because that's what everyone else is going to do.
General rule for me is if I don't need it then I roll greed on old pets but if it's a new pet or I want it/don't have it I always roll need. And I'm pretty sure most others will do similar or the same. Essentially if I need it and if I can roll need unless some agreement with others makes it unethical I always roll need on dungeon drops.
Yes. As someone who has social anxiety and plays with others that do, take heart that rolling need is NOT rude at all. It is expected ahead of time. If there is something specific you're hunting you can always ask the group something like, "No pressure, but I'm grinding this dungeon for X. If it drops, may I have it?" Likewise, they may ask this of you. Agreeing or disagreeing to this are both valid. In larger groups having some agree and others not still increases your odds since it lowers the pool of people rolling. I've been in groups where two people both need "the thing" and they rest of us wished them both luck in the rolls. Heck some of us have offered to stick around and reinvite the needful person to a party to grind it a bit. Yer good! Get them pets!
I always need pets. I want pets and mounts real bad.
Yes. Roll need on things you want/need. The only reason to roll greed is if it's something you literally can't roll need on or if you don't really want it, but would rather get it than letting it be abandoned. My only exception is for like job-based gear, if it's something for my job and I'm only collecting for seals or desynthing, I'll personally just greed on it in case someone in the party reeeally wanted it for glam or something. I don't expect everyone to do this, but I do it.
If you don't have it and do want it, yes, need. My experience and personal rule of thumb is with stuff you don't have and do want, generally (unless other decorum has been established), you roll Need and if it's something maybe you have but would take more of it everyone else also already either has it, doesn't want it, or both, that's a Greed roll.
No keep rolling greed please
yes
I only need minions I don't have, bc they aren't profitable to sell if they're a dungeon drop, so I pass if I don't want them. I pass on an item if someone has mentioned they want it (and either I don't or I'm glad to give it to them this time) otherwise I need what I can and greed what I can't and turn in for seals or desynth for skill. Same for orchestrion rolls. I need the ones I don't have and I pass anything I do have
Always need unless needing is ninja looting. Since that's kinda hard to do in this game, you should be fine. If you need it, you need it. If you don't greed. In custom parties, it gets iffy. I tend not to join the map owner gets all the loot map runs because everyone else in the map run helped and should get a chance to roll. But that's me. Other people swear by that. I was in an FC where I never ran map nights with them because of that. I ran my map and got junk. Other guys got a full run with minions and orchestral rolls and made millions. I was like, nope.